USED BATCH FREEZERS
"IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM EMERY
Are you looking for a used Emery Thompson Batch Freezer? Well,
you're not alone! Out of the 40 or more phone calls I take in a
given day, 15 of them are looking at used. At any given moment there
are over 80 used Carpigiani’s, Taylors and other batch freezers on
eBay…but no Emery Thompson’s. Well, to be fair there are three used
ET’s up there but they’re older than me! Emery Thompson is the most
sought after batch freezer in the world!
Personally I think starting up or running a business with someone
else’s worn out machine is a terrible business error. What is more
important to your business investment then the one machine that
makes the product that you sell? If it goes down…what then?
If you must consider a used machine here is a simple rule:
If the front
name plate is black and silver, it was built before 1996 and
contains 5% lead. This metal, called dairy metal was
the standard of the dairy industry but was banned in 1996. No health
department in the USA or Canada will give you a permit to run this
machine! Period. End of story.
NSF and UL approved Emery Thompson machines have a Blue
and Silver label
but may be as old as 15 years. If you purchase a new Emery
Thompson, we are able to provide you with answers to all your
technical questions. But if you buy a used machine, we have no idea
how that machine was used (or misused) by the original owner. For
that reason, our ability to answer your technical questions about
used machinery may be limited. Therefore, if you buy used, please be
sure that the seller will teach you how to install, run and maintain
Up until Carpigiani
Corporation of Bologna, Italy took over Electro-Freeze in 2003,
Emery Thompson was the sole manufacturer of the Electro-Freeze line
of batch freezers. With this takeover 11 years ago we no longer
build the Electro-Freeze batch freezers.
If you purchased a batch freezer from Electro-Freeze any time during
the past 23 years, it was manufactured at Emery Thompson’s factory
but to Electro-Freeze’s specifications and standards.
and FT-2 Electro-Freeze machines were built by us for
Electro-Freeze. However, it cannot be said that they are
Emery Thompson batch freezers. The Electro-Freeze
machines were built to their specifications using
condensing units and motors that were manufactured in Mexico.
These machines do not carry U.L. or NSF certification. Emery
Thompson uses only Copeland Corporation Condensing Units made in
Ohio. Emery Thompson feels strongly that American manufacturers need
to support other Made In The U.S.A. manufacturers. Emery Thompson
batch freezers are ALL Made In The U.S.A.
CAUTION! IF THE BATCH FREEZER
(ANY BRAND) YOU ARE CONSIDERING BUYING USED WAS BUILT
BEFORE 1996, IT IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH NEW FOOD
AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION (FDA) GUIDELINES.
not recommend your purchasing someone else’s used
machinery. Like a used car, you don’t know how it was
handled or maintained. A used machine does not come with
any kind or warranty, training or factory support. Just
like buying a used car, it may look good on the outside,
but you don’t know anything about how it was treated!
You certainly wouldn’t buy a used car without driving it
and having it checked out by a qualified
mechanic! Would you buy a used batch freezer from a
photograph on e-Bay and with some stranger’s word that
“it’s in great shape?” Of course not! Your batch freezer
is the very core of your business operations. It doesn’t
make good business sense to gamble your $200,000.00
business on an old, used, $6,ooo.oo bargain!
OLD ICE CREAM MACHINES WERE
BUILT WITH AN INDUSTRY APPROVED METAL CALLED “DAIRY METAL OR WHITE METAL.”
DAIRY METAL IS A STAINLESS MATERIAL BUT IT CONTAINS UP TO 5% LEAD FOR
STRENGTH. EMERY THOMPSON REMOVED THIS METAL FROM ALL ITS MACHINES
OVER 15 YEARS AGO.
NEW EMERY THOMPSON’S ARE BUILT WITH STAINLESS STEEL DASHERS, FRONT DOORS
AND DRIVE COMPONENTS.
I am convinced that
eBay is the place where you sell all that junk your wife told you to get
out of the garage - Buyer Beware! No, we’re not selling batch freezers on eBay. If you are considering
purchasing a used machine on eBay, take care - these machines are
used and so may not be up to our usual high quality standard. If you
want true Emery Thompson quality, BUY NEW! Here are some stories
that we’ve heard from customers who bought used Emery Thompson Batch
Freezers on eBay.
A woman had an old batch
freezer (vintage 1940) that had just plain worn out. She tried a new Italian
made machine built by a company with an American name. It just wouldn’t produce
her style of ice cream. She called us for help. We convinced her that the way
to go was with an Emery Thompson. She then proceeded to buy a 1980 machine on E
bay. She bought it sight unseen and not even knowing what the operating
voltage requirements were. Would you buy a used car without at least kicking the
called us and said “The beater is missing.”
That’s the heart of the machine.
They never wear out. But, the replacement
part for this customer will
We often hear “This machine looks great!”
The only problem is the age of the
machine - It left our factory brand new in 1949
“Only used one season”
Problem here it’s been in someone’s garage for the past 16 years! And why would
you put a “perfectly good” piece of machinery in your garage for all that time?
“The machine is missing the
Who buys an ice cream machine with the freezing cylinder
missing?? This machine is worthless.
“The machine was built in
1938 and has no condensing unit."
The condensing unit is what makes the machine
cold. Back in 1938 machines were built with the compressor separate from the
batch freezer. To buy and install a new condensing unit will cost this owner
about $4,600.00. And then, today’s higher pressure condensing units can blow an
old (lower pressure) freezing cylinder apart.
“I’ve had it for six years”
Yeah, but how long did the person you bought it from have it?
“The machine I bought is
Three phase electric. How do I convert it to single phase?”
You need to buy a
new drive motor, a new condensing unit, new electric starters and contactors and
then have an electrician rewire the entire machine. Single phase will run
anywhere in America. Three phase will only run at three phase locations. Phase
converters DO NOT work on our batch freezers due to the very large motors we use
and the increasing load on the motor as you make ice cream or ices.
"AN EMERY THOMPSON DASHER CAN
BE DROPPED FROM THE ROOF OF YOUR BUILDING AND ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN
IS IT WILL DENT YOUR PARKING LOT"
“My refrigeration man says I
need a new condenser coil. This machine was stored in the previous owner’s
Being subjected to below freezing temperatures, it froze up the
internal workings of the batch freezer – just like a car radiator without
anti-freeze. This machine is fully contaminated, the internal pipes are broken
and is suitable only as a boat anchor!
“The freezing cylinder
frosts up all the way around – except in one spot.”
This is called a “dead spot”
– caused by pouring near boiling water into the cylinder to clean it out. A real
NO NO in frozen dessert machines. This machine will now take twice as long to
produce ice cream or ices.
Carpigiani Batch Freezer/Pasteurizer" - $40,000 used - 2008 new -
seller "suddenly went out of business."
In my opinion this is crazy! With an Emery Thompson, they would have
only spent $16,700!!
A long time customer of Emery Thompson called today. He was looking
at a used Emery Thompson. He owns a number of Emery Thompson's. I
had advised him a month ago not to buy it as the owner could not or
would not say how the machine had been stored. He bought it anyway
because....what could go wrong......it's an Emery Thompson! What
went wrong is the previous owner had left water in the pipes before
storing it and when the temp. went below 32 degrees, the pipes
froze. When he turned on the compressor, he mixed water and Freon
together. If this machine does ever get running, it will take 3-4
months of having the refrigeration man in once a month to change
out the moisture drier. It it ever does run, it will cost him over
$5,000.00. He just spent $3,000.00 with me which I advised him
A man called on Monday and was outraged at me because he bought a
used Emery Thompson for a pretty high price. What could go
wrong....it's an Emery Thompson. What went wrong is when the health
inspector came to give the store the final approval, he found this
1990 Emery Thompson which had dairy metal in it (as did all dairy
equipment worldwide at that time) and he red tagged the machine. Now
he can never run it and the new Emery Thompson he ordered to replace
it is four weeks from delivery...if he doesn't run out of money
Used Emery Thompson's are the scarcest piece of machinery in the
world. Only the bad ones hit the used market. No my customers do not
go out of business and no they don't trade them in - when they add a
new Emery Thompson they keep the old one for specialty runs or a
second store. My judgment is you do not have an ice cream business
or ices business or gelato business without your batch freezer - no
matter who made it. So why would you risk the 100 or 200 or
$300,000.00 investment you made in your business over the only piece
of equipment that stands between you being in business or not. I'd
rather see you buy a new Carpigiani or Taylor than buy a used batch
freezer of any make, including mine.
Am I harsh on this subject? You bet.
Like I said – BUYER BEWARE!!
These are real life
comments from customers who bought on ebay. We build the world’s best and
longest lasting batch freezer, but do you really want to risk the $150,000+
that you’re investing in your new store on an old piece of equipment??
Again, If you are considering purchasing a used machine on eBay, take
care - these machines are used and so may not be up to our usual high quality
standard. If you want true Emery Thompson quality, BUY NEW!
Gem of a Used Machine - a 60 Year Old Emery Thompson!
Note the flowers; they must be getting it ready for the
IN THE U.S.A.”
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